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With crop "bounding", file.place measured the placed art by each object's visual bounds, which include the hidden members of a group. A group holding a 40 pt square and a hidden 170 x 42 pt rectangle was measured as 251 x 123 pt: at, rect, the place cursor and file.place.info all used that box. A group whose only part on the page or artboard was a hidden member was also placed, and symbol instances were measured as a 20 pt square. The art's box now follows the rule exports use (vectorcraft_render::encode::drawn_bounds, made public): hidden objects, guides and template layers do not count; the reach of effects such as a drop shadow now counts; symbol instances are measured by their art. The same rule picks the objects on the page or artboard. Hidden objects on the page or artboard are still placed, and stay hidden. Replace and the width and height that file.place answers also measure symbol instances by their art. Docs: docs/mcp.md (Place), docs/target-app-parity.md.