diff --git a/crates/render/src/fx.rs b/crates/render/src/fx.rs
index cc95cb9f6..f078d235c 100644
--- a/crates/render/src/fx.rs
+++ b/crates/render/src/fx.rs
@@ -2065,6 +2065,8 @@ impl Renderer {
         let doc = self.doc_inputs(f.doc);
         let mut h = DefaultHasher::new();
         (doc.cms, f.opts.anti_alias.threshold(), self.knockout, f.doc.raster_effects_ppi.to_bits()).hash(&mut h);
+        // Cached effects on containers can include paths made into guides.
+        f.opts.hide_guides.hash(&mut h);
         if let Some((isolated, path)) = self.isolation_path(f)
             && n.id != isolated
             && path.contains(&n.id)
diff --git a/crates/render/src/lib.rs b/crates/render/src/lib.rs
index c8f800693..6855cc872 100644
--- a/crates/render/src/lib.rs
+++ b/crates/render/src/lib.rs
@@ -1386,7 +1386,7 @@ impl Renderer {
     /// Outline view, culled by its cached bounds ([`Self::bounds_of`]) and drawn with `c` as
     /// `fx_owner`, so its path and live-effect geometry come from the caches.
     fn draw_outline_member(&mut self, ctx: &mut RenderContext, f: &Frame, c: &Arc<Node>) {
-        if !c.visible || f.opts.hidden.contains(&c.id) {
+        if !c.visible || f.opts.hidden.contains(&c.id) || f.opts.hide_guides && matches!(c.kind, NodeKind::Path { guide: true, .. }) {
             return;
         }
         match self.bounds_of(f.symbols, c) {
diff --git a/crates/render/src/tests_layeropts.rs b/crates/render/src/tests_layeropts.rs
index 7130d654b..6555e827f 100644
--- a/crates/render/src/tests_layeropts.rs
+++ b/crates/render/src/tests_layeropts.rs
@@ -186,3 +186,51 @@ fn hide_guides_hides_guide_paths_on_screen() {
     assert!(pixels(false) > 0, "Show Guides draws the guide path");
     assert_eq!(pixels(true), 0, "Hide Guides leaves the guide path out");
 }
+
+/// #3219: hiding guides omits guide paths, including those inside cached group effects, without
+/// hiding ordinary artwork. The same renderer must show them again when the view is toggled back.
+#[test]
+fn hidden_guide_paths_leave_the_artwork_and_refresh_cached_effects() {
+    for effect in [false, true] {
+        let mut d = Document::new(120.0, 120.0);
+        let layer = d.layers[0].id;
+        let mut guide =
+            Node::path(d.alloc_id(), shapes::rectangle(Rect::new(20.5, 20.5, 60.5, 60.5)), Appearance::basic(Paint::None, Paint::None, 0.0));
+        if let NodeKind::Path { guide, .. } = &mut guide.kind {
+            *guide = true;
+        }
+        let id = guide.id;
+        let art = Node::path(
+            d.alloc_id(),
+            shapes::rectangle(Rect::new(80.0, 80.0, 100.0, 100.0)),
+            Appearance::basic(Paint::solid(Color::rgb(0.0, 0.0, 1.0)), Paint::None, 0.0),
+        );
+        let mut group = Node::group(d.alloc_id(), vec![Arc::new(guide), Arc::new(art)]);
+        if effect {
+            group.appearance.effects.push(vectorcraft_doc::Effect {
+                id: "blur.gaussian".into(),
+                params: serde_json::json!({"radius":2}),
+                visible: true,
+            });
+        }
+        d.insert(Some(layer), 0, group).unwrap();
+        let mut without_guide = d.clone();
+        without_guide.remove(id).unwrap();
+        let mut renderer = Renderer::new();
+        for outline in [false, true] {
+            let opts = RenderOptions { outline, background: Some([255; 4]), ..Default::default() };
+            let shown = renderer.render(&d, 120, 120, Affine::IDENTITY, &opts);
+            let hidden = RenderOptions { hide_guides: true, ..opts.clone() };
+            let expected = Renderer::new().render(&without_guide, 120, 120, Affine::IDENTITY, &hidden);
+            assert_ne!(shown.pixels, expected.pixels, "the guide is initially visible, effect={effect}, outline={outline}");
+            assert!(
+                renderer.render(&d, 120, 120, Affine::IDENTITY, &hidden).pixels == expected.pixels,
+                "only guides hide, effect={effect}, outline={outline}"
+            );
+            assert!(
+                renderer.render(&d, 120, 120, Affine::IDENTITY, &opts).pixels == shown.pixels,
+                "guides show again, effect={effect}, outline={outline}"
+            );
+        }
+    }
+}
diff --git a/crates/ui-egui/src/canvas.rs b/crates/ui-egui/src/canvas.rs
index d800b2713..8c989b2e9 100644
--- a/crates/ui-egui/src/canvas.rs
+++ b/crates/ui-egui/src/canvas.rs
@@ -5630,6 +5630,22 @@ mod tests {
         assert_eq!(dots(&mut app).len(), 2, "one anchor still shows them");
     }
 
+    /// #3219: a selected path made into a guide is deselected when guides are hidden, so the
+    /// selection overlay cannot reveal the hidden path.
+    #[test]
+    fn hide_guides_deselects_selected_guide_paths() {
+        let mut app = VectorcraftApp::new(Session::new(), Default::default());
+        app.run("file.new", json!({"width": 400, "height": 300})).unwrap();
+        let id = app.run("shape.rectangle", json!({"x": 100, "y": 100, "width": 100, "height": 100})).unwrap()["id"].as_u64().unwrap();
+        app.run("view.guides.make", json!({})).unwrap();
+        app.run("select.set", json!({"ids": [id]})).unwrap();
+        assert_eq!(app.session.active().unwrap().selection.objects, vec![vectorcraft_doc::NodeId(id)]);
+
+        app.run("view.guides", json!({})).unwrap();
+
+        assert!(app.session.active().unwrap().selection.objects.is_empty());
+    }
+
     /// Smart Guides › Object Highlighting (#394): the outline of the object under the pointer does not
     /// show with View › Snap to Grid or View › Pixel Preview on, even with Smart Guides and the option on.
     /// #3219: guide paths hidden by View > Hide Guides are not hittable and cannot reveal
diff --git a/crates/ui-egui/src/menus.rs b/crates/ui-egui/src/menus.rs
index 557ddfccd..b9318dfdd 100644
--- a/crates/ui-egui/src/menus.rs
+++ b/crates/ui-egui/src/menus.rs
@@ -1250,9 +1250,18 @@ pub fn run_ui_command(app: &mut VectorcraftApp, id: &str, p: &Value) -> Option<R
         "view.boundingBox" => flag(&mut app.ui.view.bounding_box),
         "view.guides" => {
             let r = flag(&mut app.ui.view.guides);
-            // Hidden guides can't stay selected (selected, they are all that is).
-            if !app.ui.view.guides && app.session.active().is_some_and(|d| !d.selection.guides.is_empty()) {
-                // Deselecting a document that is open can't fail.
+            // Hidden ruler guides and guide paths cannot stay selected: their selection overlay
+            // would otherwise reveal geometry that Hide Guides just hid.
+            let hidden_selection = !app.ui.view.guides
+                && app.session.active().is_some_and(|d| {
+                    !d.selection.guides.is_empty()
+                        || d.selection
+                            .objects
+                            .iter()
+                            .any(|id| matches!(d.doc.node(*id).map(|n| &n.kind), Some(vectorcraft_doc::NodeKind::Path { guide: true, .. })))
+                });
+            if hidden_selection {
+                // Deselecting a document that is open cannot fail.
                 let _ = app.run("select.none", json!({}));
             }
             r