diff --git a/crates/edit/src/lib.rs b/crates/edit/src/lib.rs
index 8364e0aa0..2436c73bc 100644
--- a/crates/edit/src/lib.rs
+++ b/crates/edit/src/lib.rs
@@ -652,7 +652,11 @@ pub fn ripple_trim_group(seq: &mut Sequence, clips: &[ClipId], edge: Edge, delta
             origins.push((tid, from));
         }
     }
-    let main_from = {
+    // a shorter or longer head: the cut is the latest member's start (a sound that leads its picture
+    // starts earlier), whichever member was grabbed
+    let main_from = if edge == Edge::In {
+        origins.iter().map(|o| o.1).max().unwrap_or_default()
+    } else {
         let (tid, _) = seq.find_item(first).ok_or(EditError::NoItem(first))?;
         origins.iter().find(|(t, _)| *t == tid).map(|o| o.1).unwrap_or_default()
     };
diff --git a/crates/edit/src/tests.rs b/crates/edit/src/tests.rs
index 189a36320..03f2926e9 100644
--- a/crates/edit/src/tests.rs
+++ b/crates/edit/src/tests.rs
@@ -600,4 +600,22 @@ fn shorter_head_closes_the_stretch_after_the_cut_on_sync_locked_tracks() {
         };
         assert_eq!(r, Err(EditError::SyncLockConflict), "group {group}");
     }
+    // a clip on a sync-locked track that starts at the cut stays put while the pictures after it move
+    // up: only the stretch after the cut sees it (the old stretch, before the cut, let it through)
+    for group in [false, true] {
+        let mut fx = Fx::new();
+        let (v1, a1) = (fx.v(0), fx.a(0));
+        fx.put(v1, 0, 10, 0);
+        let b = fx.put(v1, 10, 10, 0);
+        fx.put(v1, 20, 10, 0);
+        fx.put(a1, 10, 5, 0);
+        let mut n = fx.next;
+        let r = if group {
+            ripple_trim_group(&mut fx.seq, &[b], Edge::In, f(3), &mut Fx::ctx(&mut n))
+        } else {
+            trim(&mut fx.seq, b, Edge::In, TrimMode::Ripple, f(3), &mut Fx::ctx(&mut n))
+        };
+        assert_eq!(r, Err(EditError::SyncLockConflict), "group {group}");
+        assert_eq!(fx.spans(v1), vec![(0, 10), (10, 10), (20, 10)], "unchanged on failure");
+    }
 }
diff --git a/crates/engine/src/split_edit_ripple_trim_tests.rs b/crates/engine/src/split_edit_ripple_trim_tests.rs
index 01b121b5d..d3f362583 100644
--- a/crates/engine/src/split_edit_ripple_trim_tests.rs
+++ b/crates/engine/src/split_edit_ripple_trim_tests.rs
@@ -92,6 +92,16 @@ fn ripple_trim_is_refused_when_the_early_sound_has_no_room() {
 /// the shorter head takes away.
 #[test]
 fn shorter_head_on_a_j_cut_take_shortens_picture_and_sound_together() {
+    shorter_head_on_a_j_cut_take(false);
+}
+
+/// The same trim grabbed by the early sound instead of the picture gives the same result.
+#[test]
+fn shorter_head_grabbed_by_the_early_sound_gives_the_same_result() {
+    shorter_head_on_a_j_cut_take(true);
+}
+
+fn shorter_head_on_a_j_cut_take(grab_sound: bool) {
     let mut s = Session::default();
     let (first, second, sound) = j_cut(&mut s);
     let rate = s.sequence_rate();
@@ -100,7 +110,7 @@ fn shorter_head_on_a_j_cut_take_shortens_picture_and_sound_together() {
     let ((pic_len, pic_in), (snd_len, snd_in)) = (len(&s, second), len(&s, sound));
     let first_before = len(&s, first);
     let before = s.project.clone();
-    let r = s.execute("timeline.trim", json!({"clip": second.0, "edge": "in", "mode": "ripple", "deltaFrames": 8})).unwrap();
+    let r = s.execute("timeline.trim", json!({"clip": if grab_sound { sound.0 } else { second.0 }, "edge": "in", "mode": "ripple", "deltaFrames": 8})).unwrap();
     let by = rate.tick_of(8);
     assert_eq!(r["delta"], json!(by.0));
     assert_eq!((start(&s, second), start(&s, sound)), (picture_at, sound_at), "both stay where they start");